>Feh. I'm disappointed to see you spouting this silliness, spaf, >especially since if anyone ought to know better, it'd be you. I thought spaf was on record as being opposed to disclosing exploitation info for security holes. Personally, I agree with you, it's important to get the info out there. But I can see why the vendors would be opposed to it: by and large, they don't really support their OSes, and so they'd much rather the exploitation info stay secret, known only by them and by the hard-core burglers. Happily, there is at least one vendor out there offering _good_ support. I'm really looking forward to seeing BSDI's product on Suns. -Bennett bet@sbi.com